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I am happily married (for 31 years) with eight children (ages 8-28 years), and 4 wonderful grandchildren. I love Jesus and studying the Bible. I love to talk about Jesus and the Bible. I pray that God will use these words to help you grow closer to Him and more like Jesus. May God bless you as you read these thoughts.
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What you publish here is in contradiction with what you write in your article and reaction on “Revelation 4:8 God Is” where you claim that Jesus would be God and as such it would be God having come to earth and not having given His beloved son, but having been himself to do as if he was born and died, doing the will of his heavenly Father (God has no birth and no death, because according to His Own Words He is an eternal Being no man can see – though Christ was seen by many) (+ If Jesus would be God he always did his own will, so his prayer to himself is also a real farce.)
We should believe in the sent one from God, who is the Nazarene master teacher, born in Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth, who managed to put aside his own will to do the Will of his heavenly father, the god of Israel, Who is One and above all other gods.
By having faith in that sent one from God we shall be able to fall under the grace of God, by the sacrificial offering from that man of flesh and blood, which cleansed us from our sins.
Thank you for reading and the comment.
Jesus Himself allows men to bow down and worship Him several times. If He were not God, he would be living in blasphemy. Only God is to be worshipped.
Jesus had a beginning only in the physical body. Please see another comment I made with questions and verses regarding this more.
Have a blessed day in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ the One and Only true God.
Where do you get it from that Jesus allowed people to worship him? Having respect for someone is not the same as worshipping him. Jesus always said not to thank him but to thank his heavenly Father. Jesus also taught people how to pray to God. Nowhere can be found that Jesus would have asked or allowed people to pray to him.
Thank you for your reply. I agree that nowhere does Jesus ask people to pray to Himself, but He did allow people to worship Him. Here are some verses about His receiving worship and about His being God.
In Matthew 14:33 it states that the disciples worshipped Him.
In John 9:38, a man who was healed worships Him.
In John 1:1, states that the Word was in the beginning and the Word was God. Later in John 1:14, it states that the Word became flesh and dwelt among them–Jesus.
In Philippians 2:6, it states that Jesus was in the very nature–God and did not use it for His advantage.
Colossians 2:9, states that in Christ the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form.
In Hebrews 1:3, it states that the Son is the exact radiance of God’s glory and His being and sustains all things by His word. Only God can sustain all things.
You may state that bowing down is not worship, however, in Revelation 22:8-9 John bows down to an angel and was told not to worship him. Bowing down is most often seen as an act of worship, not just reverence.
Jesus chose not to use His deity for His advantage and thus did not know everything by choice as a human being, not as His Godhead. If He did not consider Himself God, why did the Pharisees accuse Him of blasphemy? Why did they accuse Him when He forgave, when only God can forgive sins?
Hope this helps you understand what my belief is and why I believe that Jesus is God at the same time being man.
Have a blessed day in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
In the boat the apostles Honoured Jesus and said: “In truth Thou art the Son of God.” they did not say you are God. (In the original Greek text is written “they went down” or “they threw themselves down” which is something totally different with saying they worshipped him.
“The men in the boat fell down before him and exclaimed, “You really are God’s son!”” (Mt 14:33 CJB)
Also in the other verse it does not say in the original text that they worshipped or prayed to Jesus. The original text best can be translated as:
““Lord, I trust!” he said, and he kneeled down in front of him.” (Joh 9:38 CJB)
In John 1:1 you say is stateds that the Word was in the beginning and the Word was God, but you seem to miss out that the apostle writes about a and the Word, which is a result of speaking. The Word spoken by God became in the flesh and that Word God spoke came from God, and the word becoming in the flesh was Jesus becoming a reality when he got born some 2 millennia ago.
“In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word.” (Emphatic Diaglott – interlineary side)
You seem to take it literally and seem to find Word being a person, like probably you than also would take Wisom, Justice and Righteousness as people or as God.
But “logos” is not a person but “a “word, speech, matter, reason.”. Not in itself denoting personality it refers to what happened in the Garden of Eden, where God spoke and promised that He would provide a solution against the curse of death. That solution was mentioned more than once by several prophets who also brought “the Word” of God to the people.
Like wisdom is personified as a woman the word is given in a personified form. As such that god (notice me writing with a small letter = indicating not The God but a god, an important being) came into reality, like God had promised in the beginning of the world and as such created with that new being a new world. That is the great promise which await us, Jesus having prepared the way to come closer to God.
“who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,” (Php 2:6 ASV)
Wheere you should read in the form of God, and not “as God” (like you seem to do) in the original Greek is written “morphe”.
“Morphe” occurs in only one other place in the N.T.- (Mr 16:12), and here it clearly does not mean “essential nature”. Jesus appeared “in another form,” but this could not refer to a change of his essential nature since the reason why he appeared to be in another form was because the disciples’ “eyes were holden”. (Lu 24:16) cf. (Lu 43: 31). Not even a trinitarian or a J.W. would be prepared to say that Christ’s essential nature was changed after his resurrection and glorification.
If “in the form of God” means the very nature of God, then Christ could not have been “Very God” while on earth, as you and other trinitarians assert, since this is what he is said to have sacrificed and left behind in coming to the earth. Also remember that the Bible says that God is, was and always shall be the same. god Himself that no man can see Him and live, though many could see Jesus and stayed alive (Did God the tell a lie?) Jesus when resurrected and appearing before his pupils tells them he is not a spirit, and shows his wounds. (Though the Bible tells us that God is an eternal Spirit, having no flesh, bones and blood) (Is Jesus then telling a lie and did he not really die – because God can not die?)
“for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,” (Col 2:9 ASV)“For in him, bodily, lives the fullness of all that God is.” (Col 2:9 CJB)
is telling that in Christ can be found the fullness of God. It does not say Jesus is God.
Angels, prophets and Christ have been vehicles by which God has expressed his logos. Christ is the complete manifestation of the logos — “in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” (Col 2:9).
9 For in Him the entire fullness (Php 2:6; Col 1:19) of God’s nature [Or the deity] dwells bodily, [Or nature lives in a human body] 10 and you have been filled by Him, who is the head (1Co 11:3; Eph 1:22; 4:15; 5:23) over every ruler and authority. : Jesus had the spirit of God without measure (Jo 3:34). He had the same mind and purpose of God (Joh 10:30). He recognized, though, that his Father was greater than he (Joh 10:29;14:28). It is clear then, although Jesus was a specially empowered human being, he was not God. Angels, prophets and Christ have been vehicles by which God has expressed his logos. Christ is the complete manifestation of the logos — “in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” (Col 2:9).
Also in other verses is indicated that when looking at Christ one can see the character of God or the shinning or radiance of God.
“who being the effulgence of his glory, and the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had made purification of sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;” (Heb 1:3 ASV)
[ Greek,] the [effulgence] of His glory. “Light of (from) light” [[Nicene Creed]].”
Effulgence. R316:2* 200316 Of his glory — Of the father’s glory. R89:3 200089 The express image — In the Greek is the word character. R4417:3 204417 The character-likeness of the Heavenly Father, full of grace and truth. R4417:5 204417 Each Christian, in proportion as he receives the spirit of the Lord gradually becomes a copy of God’s dear Son, and therefore a copy of the Father. Q452:4 210721 The perfected new creature. R348:4 200348 Of his person — Of the Father’s person. R5269:1 205269 R89:3 200089 Of his substance. R316:2* 200316 The glorious body which belongs to the divine nature. R1806:2 201806 R2600:6 202600 R2318:2 202318 R1262:4 201262 R546:3 200546 R279:2 200279 R142:3 200142
Jesus is not literary The God, but as the son of God, you could say he has the DNA of God, and shows elements or characteristics of his heavenly Father, and as such is also next in honour and dignity to the Father, what further explains the right movements of the first noted verses of “kneeling down or “showing respect to”.
We will have to accept that we disagree on this. I do not agree with your interpretation of scriptures. I do not see a problem with God coming down in the form of man–flesh. He is able to do anything and everything. Even the Pharisees realized that Jesus was equating Himself with God and were angry about it and called it blasphemy.
One last thing I will say is that the Greek word for worship used in “you shall worship the Lord your God” is the same word used describing the disciples worshipping Jesus. Either there is a difference in worshipping God and worshipping Jesus or there is not. If there is then, if Jesus is not God, then it is idolatry. If is the same, then either Jesus falsely accepted worship, or He is God.
I pray that both mine and your eyes and heart will be open to the truth of God’s word and what He has said and that any false beliefs will be destroyed.
Let us trust that God will call those He wants to have as His Children, and will give the light and insight in His timing.
In the end, when Jesus returns for everybody it shall become clear how everything was and is.
Before that end-time, even when we do agree to disagree, that we may spread the gospel of the doming Kingdom and behave and live according to the teachings of Christ.
Wishing you all the best and hoping that the True God may be with us both.
Amen! Very well said. Have a blessed day in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!